How to Combat Extreme Ideas with Julia Ebner

And Bonus material for Paid for subscribers on what I didn't get to ask Julia about how we need to empathize with the concerns of extremists

This is the second part of a two-part interview with Julia Ebner -- the princess of extremist infiltration, the queen of counter radicalization, and author of Going Mainstream: Why Extreme Ideas are Spreading, and What We Can Do About It.

Please listen to Part 1 before coming to this episode.

Listen to Episode 2 here on Apple podcasts; or here on Spotify

In this conversation, Julia and Jason focus on how extreme ideas enter the mainstream and the implications of the concept of the ‘Overton Window’ [more on that in the background links below] for how the boundaries of acceptable political discourse change as ever more extreme ideas are articulated.

Jason pushes Julia to draw on her undercover work among the incel community to explain their worldview and the centrality of the concept of being red-pilled.

And as they Order the Disorder, they discuss the importance of defending expertise in public discourse and Julia proposes an institution that could prevent people from falling into conspiracy theories.

Listen to Episode 2 here on Apple podcasts; or here on Spotify

BACKGROUND Links:

For an explanation of the Overton window visit https://theweek.com/102517/the-overton-window-explained

For more on Julia visit https://www.julia-ebner.com/speaker

For a great video about her life and experiences:

For more on the New Books Network which runs lots of podcasts about every sort of topic -

https://newbooksnetwork.com/

And for an NBN podcast on Incels, ‘What Do Men Want?: Masculinity and Its Discontents’ by Nina Power Hosted by Pierre d'Alancaisez: https://newbooksnetwork.com/what-do-men-want

FOR MORE ON OUR NEW BOOKS SERIES WITH THE NEW BOOKS NETWORK CLICK HERE.

Get Julia’s book ‘Going Mainstream: Why extreme ideas are spreading, and what we can do about it’ - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Going-Mainstream-extreme-ideas-spreading/dp/1804183784

Read Jason’s article, ‘A lizard person’s guide to US election conspiracy theories’ in the New European: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/a-lizard-persons-guide-to-us-election-conspiracy-theories/

Listen: Episode 77 - The System is Rigged: Conspiracy theories and the revenge of the losers https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/cc41cbf3e1c05fb8a696e0faad151283

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Now for some Bonus material for Paid for subscribers on what I didn't get to ask Julia about how we need to empathize with the concerns of extremists; how to address the ‘legitimacy’ of alt-right extremists fears, what Incels really feel about women (i.e. a mix of admiration, jealousy, and hatred), and how cultural change has provoked a backlash with extremist movements and their mainstreamization