I'm Jason Pack and this is Disorder, the show where we do not rejoice greatly. We cry into our beer and we think about our mad, mad, mad, mad world that even though we know it's mad and even though we run something called the Disorder Program, we are caught off guard by the disordering events and actions that happen in the real world, that even though we thought, oh, there's a 51% chance Trump will become president, we didn't think it could be like this. We didn't think it could be such a landslide, such a repudiation of global order, such a reconfiguration along class and education lines of American politics and such a conspiratorial attempt to take back control.
After a night of trepidation at Jason’s watch party the results came in faster and more furiously than expected… Trump crushed Harris – not just in rural areas or in Red States, but in many middle-class suburbs/exurbs and even with Latino and Black men. This 2024 Trumpian landslide is the biggest re-alignment in American politics since Reagan crushed Carter in 1980. The ‘lumpenproletariat’ Trump coalition of 2024 is actually highly dissimilarly economically, socially, ideologically and ethnically to the ‘whitelash’ coalition that took him to victory in 2016. How will that affect its Disordering impacts on the global stage?
Jason is joined by party guests -- FP deputy editor Sasha Polakow-Suransky and Jane Kinninmont -- to break down what the results mean for global order.
(Listen to this very special and very emotional pod here)
Sasha shares insights into anti-immigrant sentiment and attempts to channel the angry anti-system voters from his home state of Michigan, while Jane discusses European defense arrangements and is pressed by Jason to provide a sliver of Celtic optimism. They attempt to explain the implications for the rest of the world: the transatlantic relationship, European security, Ukraine, tariff wars, the Middle East (Iran/Gaza), and China. Jason ends the episode with a forlorn farewell. He sees no silver lining, only peak disorder ahead.